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Gehirnverletzungen im Sport

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Gehirnverletzungen im Sport

Beitragvon Gast am Donnerstag 3. März 2011, 15:50

Ein Bericht, der gestern Nacht auf nhl.com erschien (News-Id 554879), heute früh aber schon wieder verschunden war:

Reports: CTE found in Probert's brain tissue - NHL.com - News
Wednesday, 03.02.2011 / 11:51 PM / News
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"TECUMSEH, Ontario (AP) - Researchers at Boston University found a degenerative disease in brain tissue donated by former NHL enforcer Bob Probert, according to reports in The New York Times and The Globe and Mail in Toronto.

Probert had chronic traumatic encephalopathy when he died last July of heart failure at age 45. He played 16 seasons in the NHL and his 3,300 penalty minutes ranks fifth on the league's career list.

Probert is the second hockey player from the program at the Center for the Study of Traumatic Encephalopathy to be diagnosed with the disease after death. Reggie Fleming, a 1960s enforcer who played before helmets became mandatory, also had CTE.

"How much is the hockey and how much is the fighting, we don't really know," Dr. Robert Cantu, the co-director of the center, told the Times for a story posted on its website Wednesday night. "We haven't definitely established that the skills of hockey as a sport lead to a certain percentage of participants developing CTE. But it can happen to hockey players, and while they're still relatively young."

CSTE is a collaboration between Boston University Medical School and the Sports Legacy Institute that is attempting to address what it calls the "concussion crisis" in sports. The group has been at the forefront of research into head trauma in sports, and has received a $1 million gift from the NFL, which it has pushed for better treatment of concussions.

The family of former Bears safety Dave Duerson agreed to donate his brain to the study after he committed suicide last month at the age of 50.

Chris Nowinski, one of the founders of the Sports Legacy Institute, declined comment when asked about Probert on Wednesday night. But he told The Associated Press the center would have an announcement Thursday morning.

The AP also sent an e-mail to NHL Deputy Commissioner Bill Daly seeking comment.

Nowinski said last month more than 300 athletes, including 100 current and former NFL players, are on the CSTE's brain donation registry. There are 65 cases currently being studied.

Probert, who struggled to overcome drinking problems during his time in the NHL, played for the Red Wings from 1985-94 and the Blackhawks from 1995-2002.

Probert's widow, Dani, told The Globe and Mail she reached out to the Boston researchers and decided to make her husband's results public in hopes that "having Bob's name attached to that can show other athletes, and especially the hockey players, that they need to get involved."

Several of the NHL's biggest stars, including Pittsburgh's Sidney Crosby, have missed time this season due to the effects of a concussion.

Commissioner Gary Bettman said during the All-Star break that concussions are up this season, but quickly noted the increase seems to be caused by accidental or inadvertent situations, instead of by head contact from another player.
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Die Anzahl an Gehirnerschütterungen im Spielbetrieb der NHL ist dieses Jahr gestiegen. Regelmäßig führen concussions zu langen Spielpausen bis hin zum Karriereende (z.B. Eric Lindros).


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Re: Gehirnverletzungen im Sport

Beitragvon Querulator am Donnerstag 3. März 2011, 15:56

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Re: Gehirnverletzungen im Sport

Beitragvon Gast am Freitag 4. März 2011, 13:45

Die NHL berichtet doch weiter:

CTE found in ex-NHL star Probert's brain tissue - NHL.com - News:
"[...] Probert is the second hockey player from the program at the Center for the Study of Traumatic Encephalopathy to be diagnosed with the disease after death. Reggie Fleming, a 1960s enforcer who played before helmets became mandatory, also had CTE.

The findings were first reported by The New York Times and The Globe and Mail in Toronto on Wednesday night.
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Boston University researchers release Probert brain findings - NHL.com - News:
"[...] The Center is a collaboration between Boston University Medical School and the Sports Legacy Institute that aims to take a deeper scientific look at concussions in sports. The group has been at the forefront of research into head trauma in sports. Dr. Robert Cantu, neurosurgeon and co-director of the center, said Probert's role as an enforcer doesn't necessarily suggest his fighting role led to CTE. [...] The NHL has communicated regularly with the Boston center's leaders and has been proactive in exploring rule changes that protect against concussions, including the institution of Rule 48 this season intended to eliminate blindside hits to the head. [...] The detailed results of Probert's brain tissue won't be released until first submitted to an academic medical journal. Probert's family requested the diagnosis be made public so awareness could be raised of the dangers of brain trauma in sports and encourage greater efforts to make sports safer for the brain. [...]"


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Globe and Mail über Reggie Fleming:
Former NHLer had condition linked to concussions at time of death - The Globe and Mail (2009):
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Re: Gehirnverletzungen im Sport

Beitragvon Gast am Freitag 4. März 2011, 14:24

Eine Meinung zum Thema, mit einem weiteren Aspekt:
Gehirnschwellungen, wenn ein Spieler eine zweite Gehirnerschütterung erleidet, bevor die erste ausgeheilt ist.

Sidney Crosby Could Have Died: The Real Problem in the NHL Concussion Debate | Bleacher Report:
"[...] The NHL is getting bigger, stronger and faster. Last season, there were approximately 55,000 documented hits during the season. That was a 40 percent increase since 2003. So far this season, the total number of official concussions has reached 70. [...] Some recommend changes to the equipment and glass, while others suggest rule changes. However, what you likely won't find is any discussion about second-impact syndrome (SIS).

The severity of Sidney Crosby's current concussion is probably due to SIS. It is defined as "the result when an athlete who has suffered a concussion returns to activity too soon and receives another blow to the head that can result in much greater trauma to the brain than that initially experienced." [...] The most disastrous risks associated with concussions aren't the long-range effects like what Bob Probert had in chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), but it is the risk of a second impact too soon after the first. [...] Two seasons ago in the NFL, running back Brian Westbrook suffered a concussion in which he was knocked out cold on Monday Night Football. He was barely out a couple of weeks before he returned. In his first game back, he received another blow to the head, but this time, it was much more minor.

What was the effect on his brain? A much more significant head injury because it compounded the original one. He was put on injured reserve for the remainder of the season. [...]
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Sidney Crosby erlitt eine Gehirnerschütterung im Freiluftspiel am Neujahrstag, unterschätzte aber die Auswirkungen. Im nächsten Spiel erlitt er eine weitere concussion und hat seither nicht mehr gespielt.


Crosby to miss at least a week with concussion - NHL.com - News:
"Thursday, 01.06.2011 / 10:32 PM [...]

MONTREAL – Pittsburgh Penguins superstar Sidney Crosby was scratched from Thursday night's 2-1 shootout loss against the Montreal Canadiens and sent back home to Pittsburgh to be evaluated by team doctors for a mild concussion, coach Dan Bylsma said after the game.

Bylsma said Crosby will be out at least a week because he has suffered a concussion and needs to be symptom-free for that long before he's cleared to play.

This is the first concussion Crosby has suffered since he entered the NHL.

Bylsma said prior to the game that the injury was suffered during Wednesday night's 8-1 win over the Tampa Bay Lightning and that it was not related to the head hit he took from Washington Capitals forward Dave Steckel just before the end of the second period of the Bridgestone NHL Winter Classic on New Year's Day.

Asked again after the game, Bylsma said Crosby's presence in the lineup Wednesday was proof he didn't get a concussion on New Year's Day.

"We wouldn't have thought he was OK to play," he said. "He certainly saw doctors."

Crosby took a hit from Tampa Bay defenseman Victor Hedman at 18:41 of the second period Wednesday night, one that earned Hedman a minor for boarding, but Bylsma would not confirm whether that was where Crosby got hurt. [...]
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Re: Gehirnverletzungen im Sport

Beitragvon smART am Freitag 4. März 2011, 14:36

Und in welcher sportlichen Disziplin ist/war Gast der Meister und Contra Schüler? :surprised:


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Re: Gehirnverletzungen im Sport

Beitragvon Gast am Sonntag 6. März 2011, 12:38

Eine Meinung zur Diskussion um Gehirnerschütterungen in der NHL:

Respect, Not New Rules, Is the Key to Cutting Down Concussions in NHL - NHL - NESN.com:
" WILMINGTON, Mass. -- The Pittsburgh Penguins come to town on Saturday.

That's just two days shy of the first anniversary of Matt Cooke's brutal blindside cheap on Marc Savard, who has yet to fully recover from the serious concussion it caused and is currently sidelined for the season after suffering another concussion in January.

The Penguins come to Boston without Sidney Crosby, as the league's top attraction is out indefinitely as well after suffering a concussion of his own in January. Pittsburgh teammates Arron Asham and Eric Tangradi are out with concussions as well, while Bruins rookie defenseman Steven Kampfer joined the growing list of concussed NHLers as he was diagnosed with a mild concussion after being hit Thursday against Tampa Bay. [...]

One thing is for sure, legislation alone is not the answer. A moral code among the players is far more important than anything that can be written into the rulebook.

Don't get me wrong, the addition of Rule 48 banning illegal checks to the head was a good first step, and the players have taken notice. But no rule can eliminate head shots completely, and some head shots come from incidental contact that is impossible to legislate out of the game. [...]

The irony is that Rule 48 was made necessary largely because of the addition of another rule that forever changed the nature of the game for the worse. Recchi is one of the few current players with a true perspective on how the instigator rule has altered the game as he made his NHL debut in 1988, four years before the instigator rule was introduced. [...]

The late-1980s saw the highest fight totals in NHL history, but it was also an era of unprecedented scoring as the stars were allowed to shine under the protection of enforcers who could actually enforce. And despite the frequent fisticuffs, the game was safer and cleaner. [...]
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Wie reduziert man die Anzahl an Gehirnerschütterungen (verursacht durch Checks gegen den Kopf)?

Der Ansatz des Autors: Respekt der Spieler für einander - gewährleistet durch die Furcht vor einer Tracht Prügel.

(Die instigator rule bestraft jene Mannschaft, deren Spieler einen Kampf eindeutig initiiert hat.)

1986 war die Anzahl der Kämpfe pro Spiel am höchsten:

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Die Liga wollte ihr Image verbessern. Heute kommt es im Durchschnitt in jedem zweiten Spiel zu einem Kampf.


Die Spieler werden größer, schwerer, sie sind athletischer, sie sind schneller. Das Gehirn ist nicht besser geschützt als früher. Wie hält man die Auswirkungen in Grenzen?

Ein Abbild der Problematik der großen Welt im Mikrokosmos der Eishallen.
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Bsp. für mangelnden Respekt vor der Gesundheit eines Spieler

Beitragvon Gast am Donnerstag 10. März 2011, 00:21

Montreal - Boston, 8. März 2011

Chara (B) checkt Pacioretty (M) in die Glastrennwand zwischen den Spielerbänken:
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YouTube - Zdeno Chara checks Max Pacioretty into glass partition - TSN Feed

Pacioretty erlitt eine schwere Gehirnerschütterung und einen Bruch des vierten Halswirbels. Eine Sperre für Chara ist möglich.

Montreal player fractures vertabra, has concussion - NHL.com - News:
"BROSSARD, Quebec (AP) - Montreal Canadiens forward Max Pacioretty has a severe concussion and a fractured vertebra from a frightening hit by Boston's Zdeno Chara.

Pacioretty fractured the fourth cervical vertebra and is in a hospital under observation, Canadiens coach Jacques Martin said Wednesday.

"He remains under observation in hospital. There is no other prognosis at this time," Martin said after practice.

Pacioretty was wheeled off the ice with 15.8 seconds left in the second period of the Canadiens' 4-1 victory Tuesday night. [...]

Chara was given a major penalty for interference and a game misconduct.

The Bruins captain had a scheduled telephone hearing with NHL vice president Mike Murphy to determine whether he faces further discipline. [...]
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Möglicherweise war die Situation emotionell aufgeheizt. Es gab, auch in früheren Begegnungen, Reibereien zwischen den Spielern. Dann fehlten wohl Verstand und Augenmaß.

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Re: Bsp. für mangelnden Respekt vor der Gesundheit eines Spieler

Beitragvon Gast am Donnerstag 10. März 2011, 01:58

NHL Vizepräsident Mike Murphy kann sich nicht vorstellen, daß die Vorgangsweise von Chara gefährlich sein könnte:

NHL's Murphy releases statement on Chara review - NHL.com - News:
"[...] This hit resulted from a play [...] with Chara attempting to angle his opponent into the boards. I could not find any evidence to suggest that [...] that could be deemed to be dangerous. [...]"


Der kanadische Sportminister Gary Lunn nannte den Check "nicht annehmbar".
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Re: Gehirnverletzungen im Sport

Beitragvon xenia am Donnerstag 10. März 2011, 16:30

NHL: Wirbelbruch nach Bodycheck

Bostons Pacioretty erleidet gegen die Bruins schwere Verletzungen und ärgert sich über die Reaktion der Liga.

http://kurier.at/sport/wintersport/2080275.php
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Beitragvon xenia am Dienstag 15. März 2011, 22:23

Eishockey: Aufruhr in NHL

Kopfverletzungen haben in der NHL zuletzt zugenommen. Superstar Crosby fordert Regeländerungen.

http://kurier.at/sport/wintersport/2081634.php
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Beitragvon OHB am Dienstag 15. März 2011, 22:33

xenia hat geschrieben:Eishockey: Aufruhr in NHL

Kopfverletzungen haben in der NHL zuletzt zugenommen. Superstar Crosby fordert Regeländerungen.

http://kurier.at/sport/wintersport/2081634.php


nackenstützen wie bei der formel 1 :shock:
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Beitragvon Gast am Mittwoch 16. März 2011, 00:19

Die General Manager der NHL konnten sich auf ihrem Treffen in Boca Raton, Fla., nicht auf ein Verbot von Checks gegen den Kopf einigen.
Brendan Shanahan, Vice President of Hockey and Business Development, hat geschrieben:"I don't think it's realistic," Shanahan said. "Defenders defend standing up and forwards attack bent over. There are other things that we can do first."

Statt dessen will man strikter gegen boarding (Spieler wird mit dem Kopf voran in die Band gecheckt) und charging (Check mit zuviel Schwung) vorgehen.
GMs unable to reach consensus on ban of head hits - NHL.com - NHL Insider

Die in der NHL verwendeten Helme dienen dem Schutz gegen Schädelbasisbrüche. Sie absorbieren keinerlei Energie, die z.B. bei einem Schulter-Kopf-Kontakt oder beim Auftreffen des Kopfes auf der Bande übertragen wird.


Concussions: New rules for treating NHL players - NHL.com - News:
"[...] Another issue is the accurate diagnosis of head injuries. Under the new protocol, any player showing concussion symptoms must be examined by a doctor in the locker room. Until now, an examination on the bench by a trainer was the minimum requirement.

As the meetings began, general managers were given the results of a two-year statistical study, and they watched video of nearly all of the concussions this season. According to the study, 44 percent of concussions this season have resulted from legal hits, 26 percent from accidental hits, 17 percent from illegal hits and 8 percent from fighting. The cause of 5 percent couldn't be determined. [...]

Other possible changes include a ban on head shots. But (Pittsburgh Penguins star Sidney) Crosby noted such a rule might be difficult to implement.

"There are times when there is going to be accidental contact, and how do you deal with that?" he said. "If someone targets the head, then yeah, I think that should be banned. ... It's whether or not it's intentional. Sometimes that's tough to really know when you're talking about a fast game like hockey." [...]
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Habs GM Gauthier: 'There is will to make game safer' - NHL.com - NHL Insider:
"[...] (Montreal Canadiens general manager Pierre) Gauthier said Monday he believes his counterparts around the League are on board and "there is a will to make the game safer." [...]

During a U.S. Congressional hearing on the growth of American hockey last Thursday, (NHL Commissioner Gary) Bettman defended the decision made by the NHL Senior Vice President of Hockey Operations Mike Murphy not to suspend Chara. He was re-assured by the GMs on Monday the right decision was made. [...]
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Bettman discusses concussion issues, keeping player safety paramount - NHL.com - NHL Insider:
"NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman insisted Monday the League is taking the appropriate steps to insure the safety of its players and that concussions do not represent an epidemic, despite highly publicized incidents in the past three months. [...]

National Hockey League Players' Association (NHLPA) Executive Director Don Fehr made the following statement regarding the initiatives:

"The NHLPA is pleased that we have reached an agreement with the NHL regarding clarification of the Concussion Evaluation and Management Protocol. We are confident that the protocol will be properly implemented across the NHL by each of its member clubs. This is a significant step to improve player safety, and concussion protocol is an area where we will continue to work with the League, through the joint NHL/NHLPA Concussion Working Group. [...]
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Bild Bettman did his part to advance the discussion by announcing a five-point plan aimed at player safety
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Beitragvon Gast am Donnerstag 17. März 2011, 23:00

Eine Selbstdarstellung der NHL zum Thema Gehirnerschütterungen.

Frequently asked questions about concussions - NHL.com - News:

Daraus: Is it true there's no helmet out that can prevent a concussion?
Dr. Reuben Echemendia, head of the NHL/NHLPA Concussion Working Group, hat geschrieben: I absolutely agree with that. Given our current technology, there's nothing out there that is going to prevent a concussion, because in order to prevent a concussion, a helmet has to be able to absorb a significant amount of the blow as opposed to translating the force of that blow. The current polycarbonate shells that we have, those hard shells, they tend to just transfer the blow. They tend not to absorb the blow. And they do that for a very good reason, and that is the helmets that we have are very good at preventing what they're designed to prevent, and that is, as you say, depressed skull fractures, lacerations, significant head injuries. They were never designed to protect against concussion.

As a matter of fact, there was some concern among the biomechanists that if we tried to make a helmet that prevents concussion; we may be going in the other direction and see an increase in skull fractures and these other types of injuries. So it's a complicated issue.


Möglicherweise auch ein Imageproblem. Immerhin wurden Helme erst 1989 Pflicht, nachdem es einige schwere Schädelverletzungen gegeben hatte. Bis dahin galten die wehenden Haare der Spieler als besonders schick. Ausgepolsterte Helme nach dem Vorbild z.B. eines Kopfschutzes für Radfahrer könnten ein Aktzeptanzproblem darstellen.
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Beitragvon Gast am Dienstag 17. Mai 2011, 02:03

Die Umstände des Todes von Derek Boogaard sind noch nicht geklärt, aber seine Familie hat angeblich bereits zugestimmt, sein Gehirn für die medizinische Forschung freizugeben:

Family wants former NHL player’s brain donated to science:
"[...] The family of late former NHL player Derek Boogaard has agreed to donate his brain to medical researchers at Boston University Center for the Study of Traumatic Encephalopathy, where it will be checked for signs of a degenerative disease common to athletes who receive repeated blows to the head.

Boogard (28) was found dead on Friday, five months after ending his season with the New York Rangers. No outward signs of trauma were found, according to Minneapolis police, but an autopsy was done (results may not be available for weeks). While it is not known if concussion played a part in his death, Boogard’s wishes were to have his family donate his brain for research. [...]
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